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This is one of the more advanced tricks and like every trick youll need to start small by just barely taking your hands of the get these really torqued like a pro you need to fit the seat to were you can easily grab it with your knees.Grabbing the seat will help the front from dropping down and it helps you from falling of the back.Its best if you have knee pads for trying this trick because it can make the inside of your knees very sore you will need somekind of covering there (or you can suck it up and justgo for it